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THE CONVERSION TO CHRIST OF GENERAL MANUEL ANTONIO NORIEGA

“God can forgive the worst sinner on earth.” How many times have you heard a preacher say something like that? Or, “God loves everyone. He doesn’t want anyone to perish. There is no sinner too sinful for God to forgive, if that person will repent and come to Christ in faith.” And do we believe it? Of course we do. We believe that Jesus Christ would have forgiven Judas Iscariot, the one who betrayed Him, if he would have truly repented.

Question: Would Jesus have forgiven Adolf Hitler? Perhaps survivors of the holocaust couldn’t…and we could understand their difficulty in forgiving.  But Jesus could have forgiven Hitler…if he would have changed his life instead of ending his life by blowing his brains out in a Berlin bunker.

Let’s bring it on down to today.

Would God be willing to forgive a repentant Jeffrey Dahmer, the mass murderer of Milwaukee?

How about Sadaam Hussein, the bloody butcher of Baghdad?

What about General Manuel Noriega, the former Panamanian drug Lord? General Manuel Antonio Noriega was found guilty of international drug trafficking and sentenced to 40 years in the federal penitentiary.

“Noriega, a former Roman Catholic known to have dabbled in the occult, embraced evangelical Christianity and prayed for forgiveness in a three-hour session in May 1990, the Times reported.

“I received Jesus Christ as my Saviour the 15th May of 1990 at 11 a.m.,” he wrote in letters about his conversion. In some letters, he wrote that he had suffered from “illusions of grandeur and a heart hardened to the Gospel.”

His attorney confirmed his conversion at the time, dismissing questions about whether it was all a ploy to curry favor with the judge. “There are people who are just cynical about everything,” the attorney told the Times.”

A prison guard witnessed Noriega’s life after his conversion “I’ve seen seriousness and I’ve seen the lack of it,” said one of the guards who monitor the fallen leader daily. “I haven’t seen any dedication or seriousness greater than his.” 

Stop the questions!

It’s not a moot question anymore. For on October 24, 1992, in a baptistry provided by American Rehabilitation Ministries, General Manuel Noriega was immersed in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit in the chambers of the Honorable William M. Hoeveler, United States District Judge, Federal Court House, Miami Florida.

Noriega was “Public Enemy No. 1” during the time leading up to the U.S. invasion of Panama in December 1989. How did it come to pass that the former general of Panama was buried in baptism in Florida in an A.R.M. baptistry?

The story begins in a maximum security cell in the federal prison in Miami where General Manuel Noriega was awaiting trial on charges of international drug trafficking.

Early in January 1990 a copy of a Spanish New Testament came into the notorious prisoner’s hands. On January 10, 1990, the editor of the Soul Winner’s New Testament (Evangelismo Personal), Clift Brannon, a former attorney turned preacher, received a letter from Noriega.  In the letter, Noriega expressed his appreciation for the copy of the Scriptures. Brannon immediately applied for a visitation permit for the purpose of religious instruction under the rights granted Noriega under the Geneva Accords.

Accordingly, on May 15 and 16, 1990, Brannon and a Spanish interpreter, Rudy Hernandez, were allowed to visit Noriega for a total of 6 hours in the Metropolitan Correctional Center of Dade County, Florida. Following their visit, Noriega wrote Brannon as follows:

On completing the spiritual sessions that you as a messenger of the Word of God brought to my heart, even to my area of confinement as Prisoner of War of the United States, I feel the necessity of adding something more to what I was able to say to you as we parted.  The evening sessions of May 15 and 16 with you and Rudy Hernandez along with the Christian explanation and guidance were for me the first day of a dream, a revelation.  I can tell you with great strength and inspiration that receiving our Lord Jesus Christ as Savior guided by you, was an emotional event. The hours flew by without my being aware. I could have desired that they continue forever, but there was no time nor space.  Thank you for your time. Thank you for your human warmth, for your constant and permanent spiritual strength brought to bear on my mind and soul.

With great affection.

Manuel A. Noriega

Following another visit in July, 1990, Noriega enrolled in a 16-week Bible correspondence course. At the conclusion of his personal study the former drug lord requested permission of the prison authorities to be baptized in accordance to what he had learned from Matthew 28:19,20.

His request, however, was denied upon the advice of his attorneys.

On September 25, 1992, Brannon wrote to the Honorable William M. Hoeveler, united States District Judge in Miami, pleading the court’s permission to immerse Noriega. “Only in this way can he (Noriega) genuinely show his faith in the death, burial and resurrection of Jesus Christ (Romans 6:3-5).”

The former attorney went on to write:

On October 24th, we ask your authority to have a fiberglass baptistry taken into the court room and for General Manuel A. Noriega to be immersed in accord with the Holy Scriptures and in obedience to the command of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Sincerely submitted for Your Honor’s favorable consideration.

Clifton W. Brannon

In the meantime, it was necessary to secure a portable baptistry. To whom would they turn?

To the same ministry that has for the past 31 years placed more than 1000 baptistries in American prisons nationwide. A.R.M. not only responded with a communion table baptistry, but also provided two in-depth Spanish Bible correspondence courses for General Noriega’s study.  A variety of Spanish DaySpring greeting cards were sent from A.R.M. along with several New Testament Gospel tracts in Spanish.

On October 24, 1992 (United Nations Day!), A.R.M’s baptistry arrived at the back door of the Federal Court House in Miami. A Deputy Marshall helped Brannon and his associates take the baptistry into the courtroom and fill it with water.

Noriega’s baptism almost didn’t happen because of his high security status, opposition from the Catholic chaplain and daunting logistical problems.

The baptism was arranged to take place in the courthouse, in an atrium outside the door of one of the courtrooms, using A.R.M.’s Communion Table Baptistry.

“That was a first”, Brannon said. “We were told this had never taken place in a federal courthouse before”.

When the baptistry was filled, the Deputy Marshall brought General Manuel Antonio Noriega into the courtroom to be baptized. Surrounded by 12 guards, Noriega, wearing civilian clothes, took off his jacket and shoes, and got into the baptistry. Brannon preached on the meaning of baptism as Hernandez interpreted, followed by prayer and Scripture reading. Brannon then baptized Noriega in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

Brannon says that when Noriega “came up out of the water” you could feel the presence of the Holy Spirit in the room. “Rudy had an accordion, and we all sang Amazing Grace, which reverberated off the marble floor”, Brannon said.

“It’s one of those sacred moments,” Brannon said. “I could feel God speaking that He was well pleased.”

Noriega was allowed to give a brief testimony and be served the Lord’s Supper before being escorted back to his maximum security cell.  Here, in part, is the testimony of General Manuel Antonio Noriega, the notorious international drug lord and ruthless dictator of Panama:

Before, Jesus to me was only an image of that which was learned from Catholicism, an historic being who worked miracles. All was transformed when on Tuesday, January the 16th, 1990, Dr. Clift asked me in a telephone conversation, he in Texas and I in a preventive prison of the court, “Do you know that Jesus loves you?”

Today, this is what He means to me:

He is the Son of God, who died on the cross for our sins, who arose from the grave and is at the right hand of God the Father and who above all things He is my Savior, and has mercy on me, a sinner.”

Sources:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/morning-mix/wp/2017/05/30/for-two-evangelical-christians-manuel-antonio-noriega-became-the-ultimate-jailhouse-convert/?utm_term=.8357612c5687

http://www.arm.org:80/bk/noriega.htm  (CAUTION: ARM holds to a doctrinal position resembling baptismal regeneration, which do not)

Question. Are you saved? Have you made peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ? God made His plan of salvation simple enough for anyone to understand:

First, believe that you are a Hell-bound sinner that is totally unacceptable to God in your present condition: “For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God . . . the wages of sin is death” (Romans 3:23; 6:23)

Second, believe that Jesus Christ died for your sins so you could be acceptable to God through Him: “But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us” (Romans 5:8)

Third, believe that Jesus Christ will save you if you will simply believe in Him with your whole heart and call on His name right now: “That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in  thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation . . . For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Romans 10:9-10, 13)

If you have just trusted Christ as your Lord and Saviour, please contact Dr. Mike for a FREE 8 lesson Foundations of Theology Bible study to help get you started right in your New Life as a believer in and follower of the Lord Jesus Christ.

Categories: Evangelism, Salvation

FRIGHTENINGLY URGENT …

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I need to make this as frighteningly urgent as possible …

You can be certain if you DO NOT know Christ personally as YOUR Lord and Saviour, you have an appointment to face Him as YOUR Judge at the Great White Throne judgment where you will be pronounced guilty and cast into the Lake of Fire!

Revelation 20:12-15 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works. (13) And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works. (14) And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. (15) And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

–Dr. Mike Johnston

Enemies of Evangelism

November 10, 2015 Leave a comment

Dr. Mike Johnston

[The following letter was inspired from an actual piece of correspondence from a man who was highly incensed by my suggestion that Christians need to be Sharing Jesus and winning souls for Christ]

Dear Enemy of Evangelism:

You gave me your opinion, now here is mine.

Your opposition to evangelism is devious. You apparently have never been burdened to lead a soul to Christ and yet HERE YOU ARE in typical lackey Laodiceanism, extremely burdened to mock, malign, and oppose all evangelistic efforts of me and those like me.

How telltale don’t you think?

What kind of a person would pit himself against soul winning through sharing the Gospel of Christ with Hell bound sinners in an effort to get them saved?

Well, a secularist would. An atheist would. A mooslim would. A Bible mocker would. An anti-Christ would. A liberal would. But would a committed born again Christian oppose bringing people to Jesus?

NOT A CHANCE!  BUT YOU DID! So what does that reveal about you? [I’ll let anyone who reads this connect the dots]

So what’s your alternative to soul winning? To simply live a “good life” before the world and by that alone cross your fingers hoping sinners will flock to YOUR expiated example?

Let’s pursue this for a moment:

How does your “good example” tell lost sinners they’re headed to Hell? (Rom. 3:10, 23; 6:23).

How does your “good example” tell them that while we were sinners Christ shed His precious blood and died for us (Rom. 5:8; Eph 2:13; Col. 1:20)?

How does your “good example” tell these unsaved folks that “whosoever shall call on the name of the Lord shall be saved” (Rom. 10:13)?

The fact is your “good example” doesn’t do any more than the “good example” of a Buddhist, a monk, a Mormon, Jehovah’s Witness, or any other “religious” zealot who happens to be a moral person now does it!

Time for you to awaken to Scripture.

Whether you like it or not, verbally sharing Jesus with people is Biblical. One of the first things Andrew did was bring his brother Peter to Jesus (John 1:40-42). Now imagine if Andrew had listened to an enemy of evangelism like you?

As much as this flies in the face of your feckless proclamations, evangelism by preaching to the lost is mandated in the Word of God and the last time I read Scripture, those who know what to do and refuse are living in sin (James 4:17).

The Lord Jesus commissioned the disciples as follows: Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.  (16)  He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned. (Mark 16:15-16).

As inconvenient as this is for the enemies of evangelism, this commissioning requires preaching and seeks conversions followed up by baptism; something I’m certain you’ve never done. Whether a man preaches to one person or a thousand, the conversion of the lost by SHARING JESUS is mandated in Scripture.

Paul’s words here will stick a paw in your craw I’m sure:

Romans 10:14  How then shall they call on him in whom they have not believed? and how shall they believe in him of whom they have not heard? and how shall they hear without a preacher?

Here’s a perfect – argument crushing – illustration. Peter preached an evangelistic message at Pentecost and three thousand got saved:  Acts 2:14  But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words: Acts 2:41  Then they that gladly received his word were baptized: and the same day there were added unto them about three thousand souls. [Remember, this would not have happened if Andrew had listened to an enemy of evangelism like YOU]

Lastly, here’s a final problem presented by your pompous pontifications …

Jude 1:23  And others save with fear, pulling them out of the fire; hating even the garment spotted by the flesh.

How many souls has your “good living” pulled out of the fire?

What about at the death bed of a family member or friend who wasn’t converted by your “good example?”

I guess you don’t know and I’ll bet you’re proud of that too, eh?

In case you aren’t clever enough to have figured it out by now, you are more than a mere disappointment; you are absolutely disgusting. Instead of trying to convince you of something you are spiritually incapable of acknowledging, I’m going to deal with you as Scripture commands:

Titus 3:10-11 A man that is an heretick after the first and second admonition reject; (11) Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself.

With that I bid you a forever FAREWELL! [blocked]

Categories: Evangelism, Misc

MOST CHRISTIANS have never led anyone to the Lord. Not even their children or spouses.

October 15, 2015 Leave a comment

MOST CHRISTIANS have never led anyone to the Lord. Not even their children or spouses.

Every day 150,000 men, women, boys, and girls die. MOST of them do NOT KNOW CHRIST and went straight to Hell to await the Great White Throne judgment only to be cast into the Lake of Fire.

HAVE YOU ever won a lost soul to Christ?

Have you WON ANY SOULS LATELY?

“My Friend”
Posted by my friend Scott Miller

My friend, I stand in judgment now
And feel that you’re to blame somehow
While on this earth I walked with you day by day
And never did you point the way
You knew the Lord in truth and glory
But never did you tell the story
My knowledge then was very dim
You could have led me safe to him
Though we lived together here on earth
You never told me of your second birth

And now I stand this day condemned
Because you failed to mention him
You taught me many things, that’s true
I called you friend and trusted you
But now I learned, now it’s too late
You could have kept me from this fate
We walked by day and talked by night
And yet you showed me not the light
You let me live, love and die
And all the while you knew I’d never live on high
Yes, I called you friend in life
And trusted you in joy and strife
Yet in coming to this end
I see you really weren’t my friend

How many people do you know that you are a Christian? How many say they are yet do not show any fruit nor bear their cross? If you were at work and met a new employee and had never seen them on the premises would you ask them for credentials? If you were stopped while traveling and the person came up to your car in street clothes would you not ask them for I.D.? Don’t be afraid to ask people how they became or know that they are a Christian and what salvation and being born again means to them.

Do you love them enough to tell them how to get to heaven? Is hell a place you want to go?

Whosoever will come after me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross, and follow me. For whosoever will save his life shall lose it; but whosoever shall lose his life for my sake and the gospel’s, the same shall save it. For what shall it profit a man, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? Or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul? Whosoever therefore shall be ashamed of me and of my words in this adulterous and sinful generation; of him also shall the Son of man be ashamed, when he cometh in the glory of his Father with the holy angels. Mark 8:34-38

For I am not ashamed of the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; to the Jew first, and also to the Greek. For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith. Woe is unto me if I preach not the Gospel. Rom 1:16-17

I have preached righteousness in the great congregation: lo, I have not refrained my lips, O Lord, thou knowest. I have not hid thy righteousness within my heart; I have declared thy faithfulness and thy salvation: I have not concealed thy lovingkindness and thy truth from the great congregation. Psalm 40:9-10

Categories: Evangelism

Ideas for Creation Evangelism Ministries

February 14, 2013 Leave a comment
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Dr. Kent Hovind

One of the faithful folks on my “Hovind’s prison research team” has been sending me various items (that would only be of interest to an eclectic mind like mine) for quite a while. (Thanks Ted!) At my request he sent me a colored map called “California Wall Map” from http://www.geology.com/topographic-physical-map/california.shtml to help me on a 2 a.m. “wild idea” project that I will use for my PPT presentation when I get out and I thought, “Hey! I’ll open up our email discussion about this project to EVERYONE to show you what I spend MOST of my time on in here and maybe some of you will:

A. Catch the excitement of finding ways to spread the gospel via creation.
B. Decide you can help too and volunteer to join the team. The pay is lousy ($0) but the retirement program is “out of this world!” Literally! (You have to wait till you get to Heaven to collect :)) It’s also free to join! And-you can quit any time!
C. Come up with other ideas to help enhance the creation seminars or books I write and win more souls to the Lord.
D. email lora_holm@yahoo.com if you can help.

Over the last 25 years HUNDREDS of people have done research or artwork for me or sent me items of interest that I use in my award winning seminar series. It’s cool! They do all the work and I get the credit and the awards for best videos! What a deal! Hmmm? Anyway, I’m still going strong on the creation topic while I’m locked up in here. The Apostle Paul had a LOT of folks who helped him in the ministry while he was in prison too. He even had a lawyer (Zenas-Titus 3:13) who helped him win his case against the Roman government just like I will! I KNOW about having to fight the legal system WHILE you keep preaching and teaching! (Thanks legal team!) I also know about the ones who, like Job’s friends, tell me, “Give up and admit you sinned!” THAT’S no help! :((

Anyway, Paul listed a bunch of the ones who helped him in Rom. 16 and various other books. I’ll have a lo-o-o-o-ong list for my Rom. 16 one day as well! Sadly-he also had some like Demas, Crescens who abandoned him and even Alexander the coppersmith who did him much evil…See II Tim. 4:10-16. I’ve had those too! :(( Paul and I will have a LOT to talk about up there! :)))

Anyway, WILD idea #452,986 at 2 a.m. after pizza/peanut butter AND jelly at 9 p.m.!

Ted, to catch the new folks up to speed on what you and I have been working on via email for some time: as you know, one of my goals is to find more and better visual ways to present ideas and biblical truths about creation and the flood in a simple to understand way. A picture says 1,000 words and I think I have over 7,000 slides in my PPT presentation now (Wow! That’s 7 million words!) and I see no end in sight! I also want to add LOTS more short video clips for the visual generation and maybe even movies. Over the last 24 years I’ve inspired and helped many others to start ministries and go teach on creation as well and have let people get my entire PPT collection to start their own ministry if they like. My son, Eric started with my slides and is taking it to a whole new level! GO ERIC! BTW- Eric-use this for a “Creation Minute” if you like.

So, Ted, the Bible says the scoffers in the last days will be willingly ignorant of the flood. (II Peter 3) That year long flood is the ONLY logical explanation of the features we see on the surface of the earth we see today. Satan knows that and he has worked hard these last 180 years to LIE (Jn. 8:44) to people to get them to look at the earth and “see” “millions of years” RATHER than “flood” so they won’t be reminded of God’s judgment on sin and get saved! I want folks to look at the earth and say, “Wow! Look what the flood did in a few days! God must HATE sin! I better get saved!” The evidences for that flood are literally right under our feet! We should use them to bring people to Christ!

I asked you a few weeks ago to send me an elevation map of California so I could develop a series of slides showing what I think happened shortly after the flood (Gen. 6-8) as the waters ran off. The map you sent is PERFECT! I want to develop this further with a series of slides and maybe even turn it into an animated clip to use in seminar part 6 where I cover the flood and maybe even a movie some day. I’ll try to describe here what I’m trying to do and needing you (or anyone else with the ability) to do.

Textbooks in our public schools always point to things like Grand Canyon and say, “Look what a little water did slowly over millions of years.” I want kids to see the same canyons and say, “Wow! Look what a LOT of water did in a few days!”

Psalm 104 teaches us that during the last part of Noah’s flood the mountains rose up and the water rushed off (hasted away) to fill in what are now the oceans. I think MANY huge lakes were trapped by these rising mountains. Some are still here and some are gone. As these lakes took in even more water from rain or snow melt they eventually got too full, overtopped at the lowest point and the water could RUSH out carving HUGE canyons in minutes, hours or weeks depending on lots factors like: how long the mud had to dry out and turn to rock before the overflow, the debris in the water (making it like liquid sandpaper to erode faster), how steep the slope was, the type of rock etc.

For the first few weeks or months after the flood the hundreds of layers of sediments would have been muddy with a dry skin forming on top. This layer of dry earth would slowly get thicker as time went along but it would take hundreds of years to solidify since the moisture under the hard dry skin would be trapped. Once moving water cut through that skin it would erode FAST and drain a HUGE lake in a SHORT time. The Taum Sauk reservoir near St. Louis lost 1.5 BILLION gallons of water in 10 minutes in 2004 (I think) when it overflowed its rim at the lowest point!

So, Ted, (or anyone else who wants to jump in and help) please look at the California Map you sent me and do the following things to it for a series of slides and later a video clip if you are able:

SLIDE # 1. The map shows elevations under 1800 feet in green and over 1800 feet in brown. The coastal range of mountains closest to the Pacific has a large gap in the brown now between someplace near Clearlake, CA north of San Francisco bay and someplace a little east of Salinas. See if you can find the right place to “build a dam” of mountains 1800+ feet high (continue the brown shaded line of mountains in the computer) between those spots so the entire central valley would be dammed up. You will also need a small one east of Salidas. This would make the central valley into a HUGE lake about 400 miles long. As the green area on the map shows the lake would go all the way from near Redding in the north to a little south of Bakersfield in the south. I don’t know if there are enough elevation lines on this map for you to give an estimate of how many cubic miles (or cubic feet) of water that would have been in that lake before it drained but see what you can do please. Or, send me what dimensions and depths you come up with and I’ll try to calculate it.

When I do this as an animated clip I’ll have the mountains rise up out of the flood water (Ps. 104) and trap that lake. Then, a few years? or so later it will overflow and catastrophically drain into the Pacific.

SLIDES #2-4?. Show the dam of mountains holding this massive lake getting “overtopped” in two places at once. One would be a little NE of Salinas. That water would cut the gap through the Coast Range and the Gabilan Range for a short time. It looks like enough water came through here to also scour out the Monterey Bay. See if you can find a map of the water depth in that bay out a few dozen miles as well. Some maps will also show sediment thickness on the ocean floor. That would probably be the map we need since the last 4,400 years of sediments would alter the ocean floor contour in both Monterey and San Fran bay.

The second breach in the dam would have been MUCH wider between Clearlake and Tracy but centered near Antioch or Lodi. It started off like a waterfall maybe 50 miles wide but narrowed down as the lake drained. This one became deeper faster and soon the breach in the dam near Salidas dried up and all the water went rushing through the other gap at Lodi and scoured out what is now the San Fran bay. See if you can find video clips of a levy failing and you will see what I mean. It often starts of as a WIDE shallow waterfall and then finds the weakest point and cuts it deep fast!

SLIDE #5-8? A series of slides showing the scouring action that all this water would cause in the two bays. See if you can find underwater topographical maps of the bays. I would predict there are huge underwater canyons in those two spots as well. These canyons may go way out into the Pacific Ocean. There is also probably a sediment deposit that goes out even further under the ocean. In my seminar #1 I show the mud in the Gulf of Mexico caused by the Mississippi. That’s what I’m looking for in these two bays as well. Walt Brown at http://www.creationscience.com may already have pictures of this.

If you can find what you need to make a series of slides showing the rapid draining of this central California lake through the gaps in the mountains…(my mind will NOT shut off!!!) I want to do the same thing with El Paso, TX. :)) North and South of El Paso there are mountain ranges. If that gap was all filled in the Rio Grand would back creating a HUGE lake covering half of New Mexico! See if you can find the right elevation line to trace back to outline where that long gone lake would have been. It would have been there for some time (few weeks? few months? few years?) after the flood. Once it got too full from rain or snow melt it would also overtop the natural dam and carve out “The Pass” (El Paso) very quickly! There is no way the tiny Rio Grand River made that giant cut between those mountain ranges! A huge lake draining rapidly would do it though. There may even be a noticeable difference in the way the Rio Grand Valley looks before and after El Paso. Is the valley for the river wider or deeper or straighter on one side or the other?

Then, 🙂 I want the same thing done for the Royal Gorge in Colorado. If that gorge was filled in (over 1000 feet) a lake would back up on the west side. I don’t think it would be as big as the one in Calif or NM but if you can follow the elevation lines back the outline will be clear. Since the walls of rock are nearly vertical that would probably indicate the mud had longer to dry out before the canyon was cut. Cutting a canyon in soft mud makes the walls collapse so there is a “V” shaped valley rather than vertical walls. When they dug the Panama Canal the walls kept falling in till they had a wide “V” in some places. The steepness of the sides is a factor of the hardness of the rock. In most cases that can be an indicator of how long AFTER the flood the canyon was carved. Or course there are a LOT of other factors like: time of rock, local humidity, rainfall, temperature, winds etc but I think “drying time” could be reasonably estimated by the ability of the sides to hold a vertical wall.

Walt Brown makes a great point in his book In the Beginning that after a huge lake drains, the ground itself rises some because of the loss of the weight of the water. It is called isostatic rebound. That would mean the lakes could have been a little deeper and held even more water than the current outline would show since the bottom would have lifted some as the lake drained. I don’t think it is possible to know all those details but it is a thought to keep in mind.

King David looked at the stars and said, “Wow! What a mighty God we serve!” (Ps. 8 etc). I want people to look at maps and geology and say, “Wow! Look what the flood did in a few days!” Satan of course does NOT want them to see that!

Anyway, that is what I’m looking for to complete THIS project. If that doesn’t make sense (it always does to me!) then please let me know and I’ll try again. Pizza with ice cream later this week so BE READY!

Ted, Thanks for all your help during this trying time! YAAB! (You are a blessing!)
Kent Hovind

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